This was introduced on Jan 21.
Last edited by BikeLite; 03-02-19 at 03:40 PM.
Very nice, And upgrade-able to 'Murican sizes. Thank you for sharing.
You know, I see this and would love to see a simple mini velo with this geometry. i.e tall seat tube, etc.
Indeed looks like a good touring option. On the personal side, I find it interesting that, out of the multitude of suitcases in the market, their suitcase update for their trailer system ended up with exactly the same model I started using with their system. Incidentally this model, Samsonite S'Cure, was popular in Europe, but no so much marketed in the US.
I've owned a heavy rider option Llama for many years..
I’ve got one on order and should be here soon. Can’t wait.
Last edited by planetoid117; 03-03-19 at 11:23 PM.
If I had to do a global tour and it had to fold n fly, this seems the best bike. Overbuilt steel goodness.
Joe, fwiw, my son took my NWT offroad a few times. It was not the diamond frame model, either, and had the lower BB than the Llama. However, he said it did really well. He did not try to hop any big logs with it, but he rode a dirt track up and down a mountain and rolled over embedded rocks and the like. He's about 6 feet and 170lbs and he said he didn't notice any particular flex in the stem, but keep in mind the stem was fairly short for an agressive position. The biggest issue he mentioned was making sure he had the pedals in the optimum position so one didn't hit the ground on a rock or something (but the Llama rides higher). The bike was returned to me filthy but with no damage to any parts other than a new scratch on the rear der, which actually happened loading in a car.
I appreciate the feedback and look forward to hearing from folks after they get one. I'm not pushing the weight limit (yet!) at 190 lbs., but I'm very interested in its general "overbuiltness" for tumbling around in the dirt.
Something to note is that bike friday no longer makes the llama with the higher bottom bracket. They are all the same height as the NWT now.
So what's the difference between the models? Are all Pocket Llama now diamond frame and all NWTs "monotube"? Is there still the option for having a belt drive on NWT (Bottom bracket in rear part) and not for Pocket Llama?
They got rid of the pocket llama. Diamond llama is pretty much same as the heavy rider option of the nwt now. My understanding is if you want belt drive you need the standard NWT frame. My order for the diamond llama required a chain tensioner for rear hub.
No , but now NWT, folds above the BB, so belt drive is an option, you have to specify belt option, so the frame is split to let the belt through..
My Llama is higher BB, (My feet out of the puddle wheel spray.). than NWT/Rocket..
I see they changed the rear section and now there is a Kickstand mounting plate..
their tandems all used the 2 oversize tube front triangle , the early 90's ones used a smaller diameter tube triangle..
If it matters , you can write Walter an Email, at the company and go direct rather than hearsay, here.
Last edited by fietsbob; 03-05-19 at 05:01 PM.
the fork steerer is 1.25" I bought someone else's Bespoke order when the backed out..
they chose a folding mast, I designed a replacement, shown here , It moves not at all ..
" Do you know what sizes will be available? I'd love to see something that fits similarly to a 61 cm "normal" bike. There are hardly any small-wheeled bikes out there for tall guys."
Yes, you got my feeling exactly.
The Diamond Llama page says the BB is higher.
yep. They said they haven’t updated the page to reflect the change yet.
They have a new model that needs its new page updated? Where are you getting your information?
Straight from the horses mouth. I bought one recently. Send them an email.
Got mine this week. Aside from a small part needing replacement needed I’m loving it.
Confirmed that the bottom bracket is not is not raised anymore also.
Light off roading video, seems strong enough for the average usage scenario.