Tony: Same people that said it is happening yesterday said its today. There isn’t a lot of news today.
Don’t see all the gurus saying this stuff yesterday because everybody baffled because it didn’t happen yesterday…the OFAC list done on the first… was that it?
What I heard last week Wednesday was a laughter and that it was impossible to be done. This week they said absolutely not going to happen till the Saturday meeting.
Tony: I like where you were going though cause we have been hearing something but how do you know who really knows anything… where do we stop and say what is for sure… who has the correct intel… how many different sources can you get the same thing from. I can’t say for sure anyone knows except for Shabbs.
Dan: What threw me off there is the fact that we don’t know what is going on. I have linke4d mhyself with people that I really trust. I get frustrated with people saying it is done, people cashing out and then the next day we don’t see anything. The people I am talking to that I really do trust…. When they say don’t even look at it till Saturday that is the first Time they can actually address it… maybe Sunday. I have to believe who I am talking to or I wouldn’t be talking to them.
When we saw the OFAC list yesterday – that would have stopped this thing. The UST terrorist list. Chief were you shocked by this?
Chief: Extremely shocked. But lends credence to the guy talking to his Chase banker that all restrictions had been lifted. Between Jan and Mar last year said that they were removed from that list but it appears they were still on that list with our Treasury… That means they can be released fully from Chapter 7 with that done.
Tony: In Jan or Feb of this year was the first time I heard about them being released from that list,…. That was the US list they were supposedly removed from. Yesterday, hearing they were removed, all restrictions removed…. Seems like perfect time for this to be done. Didn’t we hear that last month they were released from Ch. 7 and were a sovereign country?
Chief: That’s an assumption we’ve all made. They are still under the DFI ruling of Ch. 7… between that and 13303 being extended till next year still some stipulations. With the restrictions being lifted per what this banker stated yesterday… with what is to come about tomorrow – hopefully we will see it next week.
Tony: do we know what this meeting is?
Chief: The first parliamentary session after the last 10 that were during Ramadan.. may be the beginning of the new parliamentary session after the holidays… hopefully it will all come out.
Dan: That was the 1st ? I asked. They laughed and said it is about Iraq’s official standing in the global arena. There are a lot of things we don’t know about. It is not about 1 individual thing…. In the world arena this is going pretty quick. Not easy to get a country like Iraq to stop killing people, act ethical on a levels… still could be some serious damage done by this country…. This meeting Saturday could be the first of many more.
After the last 10 days that we’ve had of it’s happening, it’s happening… some members buy into that. Tony giving one side of the coin… people want to hear that it is a rumor versus if it is a fact. Think there are a lot of people in the dinar community not careful to say something is a rumor when it’s not a fact. We are a community of people just trying to figure this out. We will make some mistakes.
I don’t think any of us realized that misinformation would be 80-90% that it’s happening. We though it would be that it is not happening. We have to be careful with that. We will send an email or text to you when we know something significant has happened. Until that this is all rumor we are trying to figure out.
Chief: Would like to hear Gary’s take on that article.
Gary: A little befuddled by it. Information we got a while ago was they were removed from the list in Canada and the UN list. The office of foreign asset control is a department of the UST … I believe that when we were looking at it we were excited that the UN had removed them from the list before but I couldn’t find anything that said that the UST had taken them off of the list. Appears there are a number of departments that have to do that. This is very good news.
Dan: This gets me excited. Taking this country off of this type of a list is part of the RV.
Chief: As of now they are no longer considered a war zone.
Dan: Have you looked at how much Iraq is added to that SDN list… only three on that list. Iran’s list would take 20 minutes…. Pages and pages on other countries… there are things talking place behind the scenes that say this is cool, my investment is solid.
I am really encouraged when I see this little tidbit. It’s a great day. Look at this and start figuring it out. It says Iraq2 – was Iraq1 pulled off in Jan/Feb? Was that correct? Is there an Iraq3?
Tony: Nobody knows anything. We didn’t even know there was a 2 or we wouldn’t have been excited in January where there was a 1. I don’t feel there is a big conspiracy among the banks etc…. someone giving this information out… we were told that the ust was going to give us erroneous information and they have been…. Doesn’t mean all of them are. I will always be on the positive… even when things like this happened. We got this information yesterday morning. That could have been part of what got other people excited yesterday. Don’t know if there is a 3,4,or5 out there… haven’t gotten anything this morning one way or the other.
Dan: I think we know a lot as a team. We know for sure this will take place. I think we have a lot of information. We had some very good intel sources that said it is not over yet and meetings have to take place… the same 3 people that don’t know each other have been saying we are listening to the wrong people. The fluff you have been hearing is in correct. Still saying there is more. A meeting Saturday. We might get information that there is a meeting Monday Tuesday. When I see stuff like this and people have said to me there are more things to be completed that is more clarification.
Dan: What you are saying is a bunch of Charlie Browns out there. If they tell me that it has RV’d and over and it’s not… I am going to get somebody else holding the ball. We have to be careful how we characterize this. I am always hoping that Tony’s guys are right. One of these days somebody will be.
Tony: If you don’t want to hear all of the information we want to hear that to.
Dan: This isn’t his intel against my intel…. Somebody has to play those parts. Too many people take this as Dan versus Tony but that isn’t the case. Just putting out the information.
? Are you having a call Monday?
Dan: We were not going to. Check in on the board. Will be something put up on the board that will be rv with a line through it and a pulsing rv if something is going on. No call unless something happens. Probably not cause I am not thinking anything will happen till mid next week.
? With all the intel with everyone saying done… why would anyone with inside intel even let it out? Wouldn’t they get into a lot of trouble?
There are no facts… just information that people are receiving. If they know for sure they would say 8 Thursday night… everybody is getting some information from somebody and are passing it on.
? Both you Dan and Tony, with a constant stream of information sources… yesterday you were getting calls throughout the call yesterday Tony… do you still have the faith an confidence in the people you are getting the information from?
Tony: hard for me not to like someone. If I don’t like you, you are really screwed up. Hard for me to believe in the negative side unless it is really blatant. Just cause it didn’t happen I don’t lose faith in them because we don’t know why it isn’t happening. They didn’t call me they called their family member. They called them to say hey get the family ready….. we were getting calls it is in motion…. I don’t know we won’t see it today…. They said before it was off.. was green went back to red… when those things were happening we were told that… that we were sending negotiating tram over there etc… I get so much information that sometimes I forget who told me… I don’t discount anyone… I measure the information and now so are they. They are feeling the same way you are. This is the govt. This is a world event. Could have got pushed off from 8:01 to 9:30.
? When this does rv and you send out the text blast can you include a pin code for a dial in?
Dan: Absolutely. There will be many efforts to get it out there. If we did that on these calls…. How would you know it was really an important text when it came?
I haven’t got a call today from my sources today yet about this…they still say impossible until at least Saturday or Sunday and I think we’ll see more things come out and find out why.
? Have we been able to verify tariff laws took place yesterday?
Dan: No I have not.
? How do you feel, with our economy, Obama’s speech, seems like things are getting worse and worse… is this tied into all that?
Dan: Unforseen occurrences happen to everything and everyone… I think we are still on our way down that golden parkway but on the way we will see some bad things… I think they can extend the tariff thing … I think the unemployment etc. will continue… I don’t believe there is another structure large enough… this was the fix… Many people like Dr. Todd, the other guests we have had on here…. What they call the new world order group – this was the fix. The world went along with this because Saddam needed to be ousted…. All the other countries agreed, said let’s forgive the debt and support them… remember they are sitting over there with 3 hours of electricity in a day, etc… the worse it gets, to me the better it is for us.
Gary: I had a brief conversation with Dr. Todd, said he was very concerned cause need some solutions in place. The later this gets the creates other crises that have to be dealt with. Said Set. Is a key month. Hoping for early in September. Saw a date of August 28th that would trigger a critical stage…. That it is really important that it happens.
Tony: Viper sent me some information that if this didn’t happen by Saturday they would lose their WTO seat, Paris debt would be applied by Sunday morning… all that is supposed to happen by Sunday morning. If we look at our economies etc… Germany just downgraded this week… Japan downgraded this week, Switzerland supposed to be next week. This was originally supposed to be a boost to our economy and the worlds. Now a life raft.
? Do you see this going into 2012?
Tony: I absolutely do not.
Dan: I absolutely agree with Tony. There has been times people have said a huge fine or removal from something like WTO, in April they said they couldn’t get into the WTO if x doesn’t happen yet it didn’t happen….
? IMO – we’re trying to put a puzzle together and every night the pieces get swapped out. How do we really know how close we are. I read different docs and yet we keep seeing pieces come to the table we didn’t anticipate. We would have been cashed out right now but things we didn’t know about stopped that.
Dan: After Feb I was blown away and I had to adjust my thinking. Everyday we move closer to Iraq becoming a better country, financially acceptable to the global community, large companies supporting Iraq and making them better… what reason would there be for that?
Tony: Remember last week was all about that Erbil agreement not done, ministers not done and we were saying we know they are done not showing up in gazette… then meeting at Talibani’s house saying hcl done, just hear at a mosque defense minister announced… we’ve been told for months that was done… so that’s not it./… then yesterday found out they were still on that list. I don’t know that they weren’t told that yesterday, that somebody else was saying they were going to put this in the gazette etc.
If the UST removes them from the list that’s like they are good to go just like any other country. Maybe another thing is to happen…. Maybe it is the meeting Saturday… supposed to be all done and waiting for us… we don’t know – can onl go on what we are told.
Dan: The announcement in the mosque is rumor…the Erbil being done and signed is rumor until I see it in the gazette. Right now not done at all till published. We don’t know who announced the minister… this is an extremely emotional situation.
? I received a piece of intel last night that someone I know got an email from the ust saying that the treasury hold had been removed. Did you hear the same thing?
Dan: Our treasury guy didn’t even know it was still on the terrorist list.
Caller – I believe this individual and know he has great ust sources. I believe he saw that. Whether it was wrong I don’t know.
Tony: I got the same information that he did. If it pans out it is a good piece of intel.
Dan: I want people to hear… the fact that this isn’t about us competing… trying to get to some facts here. They are repeating what they are hearing… then all the sudden something comes out and it’s like how could they not know this? They are doing their best to bring the information to us.
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Tony: Think this is still a possibility. I got a call… while Saturday may be the day you may get a surprise… I may come back later in the day and give you an update. Enjoy the holiday weekend. Hopefully a great Saturday and Sunday.
Dan: Probably a Tuesday Wednesday call. Maybe a pre-recorded call or 2 over the weekend.