Hello, first post here. Could use some help.
79,000 miles, bought used, no clue if the oil was changed regularly. New plugs new wires.
Burns 1 qt every 300 miles. Ran a compression test and get 190-200 PSI on all 4 cylinders. Does smoke a little out of the tail pipe, but not excessive. Tail pipe has a bit of build up on it. Does not leak oil while the car is off, yet my right drive axle does look a little shiny, so it may be possible something is leaking out of the pulley's and then the axle is spinning the oil off while it runs. Not sure though, I haven't dug into the car far enough to get a close enough look.
Oh and this may be another problem, but I get occasional misfires or similar lag under hard acceleration, and only under hard acceleration.
I am assuming the rings and valves/seats are good due to the successful compression test. I am having a hard time figuring out where the oil is going. Only thing I can think of is maybe a bad exhaust valve guide or a pulley leaking. I have read other threads and will check my PCV tomorrow, but am curious as to how this might affect oil consumption? I am moderately knowledgeable when it comes to cars but not enough so, and always looking to learn more.
Any thoughts? All help or even random guesses are appreciated.
2000-2001 corollas are notorious for burning oil. i have 2000 corolla but im really lucky no leaks so far. i don't drive it often though it has about 60k miles. anyway what's the mileage on the engine? 1 qt every 300 miles is bad however the problem can be fixed by simply replacing the leaky gaskets. This maybe costly but i dont think you can pass emission tests without fixing this oil burning issue. so either get rid of it for fix the engine.
Possible leak culprit may be the tensioner O-ring. You should have a look at the serpentine belt and check for cracks or excessive wear as well. I would also look under the fill cap for signs of sludge or excessive varnish build up. Clogged PCV valves are a common culprit, cost about $10 and are easy to replace. For that cost, I prefer to simply replace rather than clean. You may have an oil burner as well. Many 8th gen Corollas burn oil. Amounts vary. Your consumption sounds too high for burn off. Likely you have a burner and a leak somewhere, tensioner O-ring is my guess.
Mine is also a burner and burns a significant amount of oil. I've gotten used to its thirst and simply check and top up regularly to keep it full. You may be burning oil due to a clogged PCV valve, but you may also have the "sticky rings" syndrome many 8th gen have. Design defect makes the rings prone to sticking, and when that happens consumption starts. No known solution guaranteed to work short of an expensive rebuild, which is unnecessary, as the consumption will have no effect on the lifespan of the engine so long its regularly topped up.
There are various things that can be tried to reduce consumption, but the first thing to do is check the PCV valve and find and fix the source of the leak.
Edit: even though mine burns significant oil (averaging a quart every 1,200 miles this summer, though it'll decrease when temps drop and winter comes), you would never know it as it doesn't smoke.
If you were leaking a quart every 300 miles( or even a1/4 of that) the under side your car and where you park would be dripping /soaked with oil.
Welcome to the oil burners club!
What you describe is typical of bad sealing oil rings( bad piston design).
The main problem with burning that much oil other than the cost of oil , damaged cat and air pollution, is how easy it is to run the engine out of oil.
I had a cracked head on my 2000 and went searching for a used one. I looked at six heads at different places and all but one showed signs of oil starvation( cam bearing surfaces badly scored , gouged, melted).
- use of an HDEO like Rotella to clean the engine out. Similar idea to the above, but different approach and the two can be combined.
- removing the plugs over night and soaking the pistons in a solvent like MMO or Seafoam. This is a more direct application of the first idea.
- using an oil that is more resistant to burn off and/or thicker.
- switching to a high mileage oil like MaxLife; can be combined with the previous idea (by using a thicker grade).
A sampling of things that I've come across, though not complete. There is also the ultimate solution when you've tried enough of the above and nothing's worked: look for sales on oil and stockpile. Keep a few quarts in the trunk, check it frequently, and add as needed. As long as it never runs low the engine, inspite of stuck/worn rings, can live a very long life as long as its oil thirst is properly quenched (or you hit on something that reduces it).
I like the piston soak and replace the PCV valve idea, even though it is a manufactures defect on the rings.
At about 100,000 miles, I went from burning almost no oil(less than half a quart every 3000 miles) to a quart every 1000 miles. This happend in less than 3000 miles.
Switched to Rotella and in about 6000 miles my oil burning came down to the level it had been. Before I pulled the engine it had 207,000 miles and still was not burning oil.
It would seem the Rotella worked for me.
When I tore down the engine it was fairly clean, just a thin coat of brown carbon/ varnish, no sludge, no deposits except for a very small amount on one side of the oil pan. I used dino oil and changed my oil at 3000 always.
I have torn down alot of engines and this was clean as engines go.
My oil ring oil groves had a hard brown carbon build up ( the same material that covered the engine in a thin coat ,just thicker), but my piston oil holes ( the ones under the oil rings) were open ,not totally, but open.
None of my oil rings were stuck , though the carbon in the ring groves was about a 1/16 inch thick and was behind and actually holding the rings out slightly.
Except for the factory coating on the pistons the old pistons measured( miced) the same as the new ones ( almost no wear) . The rings were the same way . The cylinders were about .0015 over the limit.
Spyder, it would be interesting to see what the measurements would be on a high milage oil burner. I wonder if all that oil would protect the cylinders better( like a 2 stroke).
I'm not sure at what point in its life this car began consuming oil. It was the typical little old lady driven car with mostly short trips, stop and go, and little to no highway. Throw in excessive idling in the winter with its remote start and a clogged PCV valve and you have the perfect recipe for sludge formation, which is where it was when I bought it.
I have replaced the PCV valve, and with Pennnzoil Platinum on sale here recently, switched over to that on my last oil change. I also added in 12 ounces of MMO (about a 10% concentration) to help the Platinum along. Its possible in my case that, as in yours, a high detergent oil like Platinum or Rotella may reduce consumption. Mostly right now I'm concerned with cleaning the sludge out, so my efforts have been more focused there then on the consumption.
I did though, several tanks back, begin using tc-w3 2 cycle outboard motor oil in my fuel. It has some solvency and is a good upper cylinder lube, so I think it has potential to clean the piston ring deposits out and free them up. More recently I switched to MMO in fuel, it has similar properties but I think its a stronger solvent and less of a lube. Similar idea, I plan to run this for 3 or 4 tanks then switch back to tc-w3 again.
More recently I've been looking into a product called Lubro Moly MOS2 which is an anti-friction treatment. One 300 ml bottle contains somewhere on the order of 4,300 ppm of molybdenum disulfide. This is a proven anti-wear additive that different oils contain different amounts of (though not usually in the disulfide flavour). The most I've seen was in Redline. Some oils today have none, mine has very little. Moly works by plating at the microscopic level the pits in pistons, cylinder walls, camshaft lobes, etc. Net effect is less wear, and I have seen some say their consumption problems stopped after a period of using this. Its a well-regarded product by a German engineering outfit that also produces high end engine oils. Its compatabile with synthetic, dino, and blends and doesn't alter the properties of the oil its added to. Even if it doesn't reduce consumption, those that use it indicate their engines feel smoother and cold start easier.
I plan on picking up a bottle of it from my local Napa tomorrow and will add half a bottle (this will achieve the recommended dosing of 3-5% concentration) to my sump. Plan to use it every other oil change. Same outfit also puts out a product called Motor Oil Saver. They claim it reduces oil loss through leaking gaskets or burn off through ring or valve issues. I'm still researching this one. If I try it, it will be on my next OC this spring. I also plan to move upto 10W30 PP then from the 5W30 I'm using now, as the 10W looks more resistat to burn off.
Meantime I will be running an upper cylinder lubricant every tank, whether MMO or tc-w3, both for lubrication and deposit control. That's my current and near future plan to try and remove the sludge and reduce consumption at the same time. I'm a long ways away from calling it quits and just feeding it oil wholesale. Rotella is also on my list of oils to try as it has a nice detergent package as well and has worked for some. MaxLife has worked as well for others. Too many things to try to think about giving up yet. Despite their ring issues, these 1ZZ-FE engines are very stout and pleasant both to drive and work on.
I recently bought Rotella T5 10w-30 for my next oil change, which should happen imminently. I'll report on what happens consumption-wise. My last two changes, Valvoline MaxLife and Castrol GTX High Mileage (both 5w-30), were both a vast improvement over the regular dino oils I had been using. They both resulted in about 1 qt. / 800 miles. It was much worse just 9 months ago when I made the switch. It's about time to run compression numbers again, too. I'll probably get to that after the Rotella cycle is done.
None of my oil rings were stuck , though the carbon in the ring groves was about a 1/16 inch thick and was behind and acually holding the rings out slightly.
Except for the factory coating on the pistons the o\ld pistons measured( miced) the same as the new ones ( almost no wear) . The rings were the same way . The cylinders were about .0015 over the limit.
Spyder, it be interesting to see what the measurements would be on a high milage oil burner. I wonder if all that oil would protect the cylinders better( like 2 stroke).
Bent Rod, which Rotella were you using? My 01 Corolla with 118,000 mi is using at least a quart between changes. Not bad yet, obviously but would be grateful if you shared that tidbit with us.
Man now I'm worried is my corolla gonna be a oil burner when it hits 100k miles? It's going 73k now and absolutly no oil burning. But my sister is going to be driving it soon almost everyday.
Rodenn, I used Rotella T 15-40 non synthetic.
Changed oil every 3000 miles.
I recently bought and added 1/2 a can of Lubro Moly mos2 to my crankcase. This is an "anti-friction" treatment, or more accurately, a molybdenum disulphide additive. Modern API SM oils tend to contain little to no moly, which is a very good anti-wear additive. HDEO diesal oils like Rotella are likely already high in moly (in which case I wouldn't recommend adding it). Moly, over time and due to the heat present at operating temperature, plates itself to the microscopic pits on the combustion chamber metals, forming a protective film. It may aid in better ring seal, thereby boosting compression and lowering oil consumption. Accounts I've read from users state smoother running, quieter engines, and (in a few cases, reduced oil consumption.
I plan to add 1/4 can as a maintenance dose to future oil changes while I trend my oil consumption over the winter. If its still not to a level I consider acceptable by next fall, I'm considering adding their Motor Oil Saver product as well, as preliminary research into this looks promising.
Another approach, inline with the piston soak method, is to alternate a soak in a solvent like MMO or Seafoam with a lubrication additive called LC20 from Lubrizol. The basic idea is that the solvents will break down upper cylinder deposits while the LC20 will lubricate the upper cylinder directly and help free the sticky rings up. This may have to be repeated several times to be effective. Were I to go this route, I would do one soak about 50 miles before the oil change. After the OC, I'd monitor consumption, and if no improvement (or not enough improvement) shorten the oil change interval and do a second soak with the other product (MMO the first time, LC20 the second time) again 50 miles before the OC. I'd continue this until oil consumption was where I wanted or I'd done 6 soaks (3 with MMO, 3 with LC20, alternating products each soak) total. Again, I may try this over next summer (before resorting to Motor Oil Saver) and aquired some good but cheap dino juice for those short OCIs (thanks to a good Walmart rollback on Quaker State Peak Performance).
All of the approaches mentioned in this thread show promise. I would not (and in my case, don't) take anything away from a Corolla that develops an oil consumption problem. First thing to check (and imho replace, as its a $10 part) is the PCV valve. Then pick an approach or combination of methods and monitor consumption. Also allow time for any method to work. Just as consumption didn't happen over night (the day after it left the factory), reversing the process often takes time as well. It may take a combintion of approaches and anywhere upto 10-20,000+ miles to see good results; but taking into account how long these engines tend to live for, this is only a small fraction of their lifespan.
Ever Green yours will likely continue to run fine. If yours was going to burn oil it would have started before now so you sound like one of the lucky ones who got a engine without issues.
Spyder here are some more good products to use.
http://www.auto-rx.com/ -oil treatment, the best treatment that I know of with top results compared to other treatments for countless people I've seen on several forums.
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/api.aspx?zo=515729 -fuel treatment, highly recommended as superior by mechanics I know.
http://www.amazon.com/ATP-AT212-AT-205-Re-Seal-Aerosol/dp/B001J89Q98 -highly recommended as superior and it worked for me. It's also available at bumper to bumper auto, possibly other stores too.
Check your engine seals and see if any are leaking. Mine started leaking at 99k only while driving.
What I wonder is if anyone sells properly sized replacement rings that eliminate the consumption? If not then I also wonder if the rings can be honed down slightly to eliminate the problem, and if so where could one go to get that done?
http://www.amsoil.co....aspx?zo=515729 -fuel treatment, highly recommended as superior by mechanics I know.
http://www.amazon.co...l/dp/B001J89Q98 -highly recommended as superior and it worked for me. It's also available at bumper to bumper auto, possibly other stores too.
Toyota says the oil burning problems are caused by the oil holes( in the pistons) under the oil rings becoming blocked with carbon.
Low oil flow doesnt cool that area of the piston or flush away carbonized oil after the holes are blocked.
The carbon then builds up to the point where it causes the rings to stick.
Also higher than target( design) temps( 160c instead of 120c ) on that area of the piston adds to the problem.
The fix is larger and more oil holes under the oil rings .
My new pistons have the improvement.