ketty pointed to the death of australia , new zealand and countries with a population less than 500 total people , who had been trying to explain that the four horsemen had , as they were busy arguing over all sorts of petty things , already taken flight and were on their way to l.a. she had known barnaby for thousands of years and men in general for much longer and knew how stubborn they could be when they got to discussing whatever it was men talk about .