٤ـ عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَمَّنْ ذَكَرَهُ عَنْ يُونُسَ بْنِ يَعْقُوبَ قَالَ كُنْتُ عِنْدَ أَبِي عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) فَوَرَدَ عَلَيْهِ رَجُلٌ مِنْ أَهْلِ الشَّامِ فَقَالَ إِنِّي رَجُلٌ صَاحِبُ كَلامٍ وَفِقْهٍ وَفَرَائِضَ وَقَدْ جِئْتُ لِمُنَاظَرَةِ أَصْحَابِكَ فَقَالَ أَبُو عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) كَلامُكَ مِنْ كَلامِ رَسُولِ الله (صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) أَوْ مِنْ عِنْدِكَ فَقَالَ مِنْ كَلامِ رَسُولِ الله (صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) وَمِنْ عِنْدِي فَقَالَ أَبُو عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) فَأَنْتَ إِذاً شَرِيكُ رَسُولِ الله قَالَ لا قَالَ فَسَمِعْتَ الْوَحْيَ عَنِ الله عَزَّ وَجَلَّ يُخْبِرُكَ قَالَ لا قَالَ فَتَجِبُ طَاعَتُكَ كَمَا تَجِبُ طَاعَةُ رَسُولِ الله (صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) قَالَ لا فَالْتَفَتَ أَبُو عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) إِلَيَّ فَقَالَ يَا يُونُسَ بْنَ يَعْقُوبَ هَذَا قَدْ خَصَمَ نَفْسَهُ قَبْلَ أَنْ يَتَكَلَّمَ ثُمَّ قَالَ يَا يُونُسُ لَوْ كُنْتَ تُحْسِنُ الْكَلامَ كَلَّمْتَهُ قَالَ يُونُسُ فَيَا لَهَا مِنْ حَسْرَةٍ فَقُلْتُ جُعِلْتُ فِدَاكَ إِنِّي سَمِعْتُكَ تَنْهَى عَنِ الْكَلامِ وَتَقُولُ وَيْلٌ لاصْحَابِ الْكَلامِ يَقُولُونَ هَذَا يُنْقَادُ وَهَذَا لا يُنْقَادُ وَهَذَا يُنْسَاقُ وَهَذَا لا يُنْسَاقُ وَهَذَا نَعْقِلُهُ وَهَذَا لا نَعْقِلُهُ فَقَالَ أَبُو عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) إِنَّمَا قُلْتُ فَوَيْلٌ لَهُمْ إِنْ تَرَكُوا مَا أَقُولُ وَذَهَبُوا إِلَى مَا يُرِيدُونَ ثُمَّ قَالَ لِي اخْرُجْ إِلَى الْبَابِ فَانْظُرْ مَنْ تَرَى مِنَ الْمُتَكَلِّمِينَ فَأَدْخِلْهُ قَالَ فَأَدْخَلْتُ حُمْرَانَ بْنَ أَعْيَنَ وَكَانَ يُحْسِنُ الْكَلامَ وَأَدْخَلْتُ الاحْوَلَ وَكَانَ يُحْسِنُ الْكَلامَ وَأَدْخَلْتُ هِشَامَ بْنَ سَالِمٍ وَكَانَ يُحْسِنُ الْكَلامَ وَأَدْخَلْتُ قَيْسَ بْنَ الْمَاصِرِ وَكَانَ عِنْدِي أَحْسَنَهُمْ كَلاماً وَكَانَ قَدْ تَعَلَّمَ الْكَلامَ مِنْ عَلِيِّ بن الحسين (عَلَيْهما السَّلام) فَلَمَّا اسْتَقَرَّ بِنَا الْمَجْلِسُ وَكَانَ أَبُو عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) قَبْلَ الْحَجِّ يَسْتَقِرُّ أَيَّاماً فِي جَبَلٍ فِي طَرَفِ الْحَرَمِ فِي فَازَةٍ لَهُ مَضْرُوبَةٍ قَالَ فَأَخْرَجَ أَبُو عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) رَأْسَهُ مِنْ فَازَتِهِ فَإِذَا هُوَ بِبَعِيرٍ يَخُبُّ فَقَالَ هِشَامٌ وَرَبِّ الْكَعْبَةِ قَالَ فَظَنَنَّا أَنَّ هِشَاماً رَجُلٌ مِنْ وُلْدِ عَقِيلٍ كَانَ شَدِيدَ الْمَحَبَّةِ لَهُ قَالَ فَوَرَدَ هِشَامُ بْنُ الْحَكَمِ وَهُوَ أَوَّلُ مَا اخْتَطَّتْ لِحْيَتُهُ وَلَيْسَ فِينَا إِلا مَنْ هُوَ أَكْبَرُ سِنّاً مِنْهُ قَالَ فَوَسَّعَ لَهُ أَبُو عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) وَقَالَ نَاصِرُنَا بِقَلْبِهِ وَلِسَانِهِ وَيَدِهِ ثُمَّ قَالَ يَا حُمْرَانُ كَلِّمِ الرَّجُلَ فَكَلَّمَهُ فَظَهَرَ عَلَيْهِ حُمْرَانُ ثُمَّ قَالَ يَا طَاقِيُّ كَلِّمْهُ فَكَلَّمَهُ فَظَهَرَ عَلَيْهِ الاحْوَلُ ثُمَّ قَالَ يَا هِشَامَ بْنَ سَالِمٍ كَلِّمْهُ فَتَعَارَفَا ثُمَّ قَالَ أَبُو عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) لِقَيْسٍ الْمَاصِرِ كَلِّمْهُ فَكَلَّمَهُ فَأَقْبَلَ أَبُو عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) يَضْحَكُ مِنْ كَلامِهِمَا مِمَّا قَدْ أَصَابَ الشَّامِيَّ فَقَالَ لِلشَّامِيِّ كَلِّمْ هَذَا الْغُلامَ يَعْنِي هِشَامَ بْنَ الْحَكَمِ فَقَالَ نَعَمْ فَقَالَ لِهِشَامٍ يَا غُلامُ سَلْنِي فِي إِمَامَةِ هَذَا فَغَضِبَ هِشَامٌ حَتَّى ارْتَعَدَ ثُمَّ قَالَ لِلشَّامِيِّ يَا هَذَا أَ رَبُّكَ أَنْظَرُ لِخَلْقِهِ أَمْ خَلْقُهُ لانْفُسِهِمْ فَقَالَ الشَّامِيُّ بَلْ رَبِّي أَنْظَرُ لِخَلْقِهِ قَالَ فَفَعَلَ بِنَظَرِهِ لَهُمْ مَا ذَا قَالَ أَقَامَ لَهُمْ حُجَّةً وَدَلِيلاً كَيْلا يَتَشَتَّتُوا أَوْ يَخْتَلِفُوا يَتَأَلَّفُهُمْ وَيُقِيمُ أَوَدَهُمْ وَيُخْبِرُهُمْ بِفَرْضِ رَبِّهِمْ قَالَ فَمَنْ هُوَ قَالَ رَسُولُ الله (صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) قَالَ هِشَامٌ فَبَعْدَ رَسُولِ الله (صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) قَالَ الْكِتَابُ وَالسُّنَّةُ قَالَ هِشَامٌ فَهَلْ نَفَعَنَا الْيَوْمَ الْكِتَابُ وَالسُّنَّةُ فِي رَفْعِ الاخْتِلافِ عَنَّا قَالَ الشَّامِيُّ نَعَمْ قَالَ فَلِمَ اخْتَلَفْنَا أَنَا وَأَنْتَ وَصِرْتَ إِلَيْنَا مِنَ الشَّامِ فِي مُخَالَفَتِنَا إِيَّاكَ قَالَ فَسَكَتَ الشَّامِيُّ فَقَالَ أَبُو عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) لِلشَّامِيِّ مَا لَكَ لا تَتَكَلَّمُ قَالَ الشَّامِيُّ إِنْ قُلْتُ لَمْ نَخْتَلِفْ كَذَبْتُ وَإِنْ قُلْتُ إِنَّ الْكِتَابَ وَالسُّنَّةَ يَرْفَعَانِ عَنَّا الاخْتِلافَ أَبْطَلْتُ لانَّهُمَا يَحْتَمِلانِ الْوُجُوهَ وَإِنْ قُلْتُ قَدِ اخْتَلَفْنَا وَكُلُّ وَاحِدٍ مِنَّا يَدَّعِي الْحَقَّ فَلَمْ يَنْفَعْنَا إِذَنِ الْكِتَابُ وَالسُّنَّةُ إِلا أَنَّ لِي عَلَيْهِ هَذِهِ الْحُجَّةَ فَقَالَ أَبُو عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) سَلْهُ تَجِدْهُ مَلِيّاً فَقَالَ الشَّامِيُّ يَا هَذَا مَنْ أَنْظَرُ لِلْخَلْقِ أَ رَبُّهُمْ أَوْ أَنْفُسُهُمْ فَقَالَ هِشَامٌ رَبُّهُمْ أَنْظَرُ لَهُمْ مِنْهُمْ لانْفُسِهِمْ فَقَالَ الشَّامِيُّ فَهَلْ أَقَامَ لَهُمْ مَنْ يَجْمَعُ لَهُمْ كَلِمَتَهُمْ وَيُقِيمُ أَوَدَهُمْ وَيُخْبِرُهُمْ بِحَقِّهِمْ مِنْ بَاطِلِهِمْ قَالَ هِشَامٌ فِي وَقْتِ رَسُولِ الله (صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) أَوِ السَّاعَةِ.  قَالَ الشَّامِيُّ فِي وَقْتِ رَسُولِ الله رَسُولُ الله (صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) وَالسَّاعَةِ مَنْ فَقَالَ هِشَامٌ هَذَا الْقَاعِدُ الَّذِي تُشَدُّ إِلَيْهِ الرِّحَالُ وَيُخْبِرُنَا بِأَخْبَارِ السَّمَاءِ وَالارْضِ وِرَاثَةً عَنْ أَبٍ عَنْ جَدٍّ قَالَ الشَّامِيُّ فَكَيْفَ لِي أَنْ أَعْلَمَ ذَلِكَ قَالَ هِشَامٌ سَلْهُ عَمَّا بَدَا لَكَ قَالَ الشَّامِيُّ قَطَعْتَ عُذْرِي فَعَلَيَّ السُّؤَالُ فَقَالَ أَبُو عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) يَا شَامِيُّ أُخْبِرُكَ كَيْفَ كَانَ سَفَرُكَ وَكَيْفَ كَانَ طَرِيقُكَ كَانَ كَذَا وَكَذَا فَأَقْبَلَ الشَّامِيُّ يَقُولُ صَدَقْتَ أَسْلَمْتُ لله السَّاعَةَ فَقَالَ أَبُو عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) بَلْ آمَنْتَ بِالله السَّاعَةَ إِنَّ الاسْلامَ قَبْلَ الايمَانِ وَعَلَيْهِ يَتَوَارَثُونَ وَيَتَنَاكَحُونَ وَالايمَانُ عَلَيْهِ يُثَابُونَ فَقَالَ الشَّامِيُّ صَدَقْتَ فَأَنَا السَّاعَةَ أَشْهَدُ أَنْ لا إِلَهَ إِلا الله وَأَنَّ مُحَمَّداً رَسُولُ الله (صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) وَأَنَّكَ وَصِيُّ الاوْصِيَاءِ ثُمَّ الْتَفَتَ أَبُو عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) إِلَى حُمْرَانَ فَقَالَ تُجْرِي الْكَلامَ عَلَى الاثَرِ فَتُصِيبُ وَالْتَفَتَ إِلَى هِشَامِ بْنِ سَالِمٍ فَقَالَ تُرِيدُ الاثَرَ وَلا تَعْرِفُهُ ثُمَّ الْتَفَتَ إِلَى الاحْوَلِ فَقَالَ قَيَّاسٌ رَوَّاغٌ تَكْسِرُ بَاطِلاً بِبَاطِلٍ إِلا أَنَّ بَاطِلَكَ أَظْهَرُ ثُمَّ الْتَفَتَ إِلَى قَيْسٍ الْمَاصِرِ فَقَالَ تَتَكَلَّمُ وَأَقْرَبُ مَا تَكُونُ مِنَ الْخَبَرِ عَنْ رَسُولِ الله (صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) أَبْعَدُ مَا تَكُونُ مِنْهُ تَمْزُجُ الْحَقَّ مَعَ الْبَاطِلِ وَقَلِيلُ الْحَقِّ يَكْفِي عَنْ كَثِيرِ الْبَاطِلِ أَنْتَ وَالاحْوَلُ قَفَّازَانِ حَاذِقَانِ قَالَ يُونُسُ فَظَنَنْتُ وَالله أَنَّهُ يَقُولُ لِهِشَامٍ قَرِيباً مِمَّا قَالَ لَهُمَا ثُمَّ قَالَ يَا هِشَامُ لا تَكَادُ تَقَعُ تَلْوِي رِجْلَيْكَ إِذَا هَمَمْتَ بِالارْضِ طِرْتَ مِثْلُكَ فَلْيُكَلِّمِ النَّاسَ فَاتَّقِ الزَّلَّةَ وَالشَّفَاعَةُ مِنْ وَرَائِهَا إِنْ شَاءَ الله.
 4. Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from those whom mentioned from Yunus ibn Ya’qub who has said the following. “I was in the presence of Imam abu ‘Abdallah  that a man from Sham (Syria) came to him and said, ‘I am a man of Kalam (meaningful words) Fiqh (laws) and rules of obligations and I have come to debate your people.” Imam abu ‘Abdallah asked, “ Are your meaningful words those of the Messenger of Allah or your own words?” He replied, “Somme of them are from the Messenger of Allah and some of them are my own words.” The Imam said, “Are then you a partner of the Messenger of Allah?” He said, “No, I am not.” The Imam  asked, “Have you received any revelation from Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High ?” He said, “No, I have not.” The Imam then asked, “Is it obligatory to obey you just as it is obligatory to obey the Messenger of Allah?” He said, “No, it is not.” The Imam  then turned to me and said, “O Yunus, this man has just defeated himself before debating others.” The Imam then said, “O Yunus, why do you not speak to him if you do well in debate?” I said, “I wish I could but, may Allah take my soul in the service for your cause, I have heard that you do not allow debating and say that wayl (a place in hell) is for those who debate. Some of them say, ‘This is accepted and that is not accepted and this is alright to say but that is not alright to say that this we understand and that we do not understand.’ The Imam  said, “I said so if they would ignore what I say and follow what they themselves want.” The Imam then said, “find out who is outside who could debate and bring them in. The reporter has said, “I then brought in Humran ibn ’Ayun who was good in debating, Ahwal who also was good in debate. I brought Hisham ibn Salim who debated well. Another person I brought was Qays ibn Masir who the best of them to me. He had learned Kalam (theology) from Imam Ali ibn al-Husayn  Our gathering took place in Makka before Hajj. Imam abu ‘Abdallah  would stay near the Holy Mosque for few days in a small tent. Once the Imam  looked outside the tent and there was a camel growling and said, “By the Lord of the Ka‘ba, it is Hisham.” We thought it must be Hisham, the man from the family of ‘Qil who was very beloved to the Imam . It was Hisham ibn al-Hakam who came in. He had just grown a small beard and all of us were older than him. The Imam  made room for him and said, “He is our supporter with his heart, tongue and hands.” The Imam then asked Humran to debate the man. Humran came out strong. Then the Imam asked Taqi to debate the man. Ahwal also came strong. Then the Imam asked Hisham ibn Salim to debate the man. They both remained the same. The Imam  then asked Qasys al-Masir to debate the man. When they debated the Imam  laughed because of the man from Sham sometimes saying the right thing. The Imam then asked the man from to speak with Hisham ibn al-Hakam. The man said, “O boy, ask me about the Imamat (spiritual leadership) of this man.” Hisham become angry and began to shake and said, “O you, is your Lord more protective of His people or people themselves?” The man said, “It is My Lord Who is more protective of His creatures.” Hisham then asked, “What then He in His opinion has done for them?” The Man said, “He has established His authority and guidance so that they would not differ and disunite and be united to support each other and remind them of their duties towards Allah.” Hisham asked, “Who is he?” The man said, “He is the Messenger of Allah.” Hisham then asked, “Who is the Divine authority after the Messenger of Allah?” The man replied, “It is the book if Allah and the Sunnah.” Hisham then said, “Have the Book and Sunnah helped us today in removing our differences?” The man said, “Yes, they have helped us.” Hisham then asked, “Why then do we have differences among us. You have come all the way from Sham to oppose and debate us?” The man then remained quite. The Imam asked him, “Why do not speak?” The man said, “If I were to say that we have no differences I would speaking lies. Were I to say that the Book and Sunnah solves our differences it would be invalid because they can be interpreted in so many ways. Were I to say that we do have differences and each claims to be the rightful party then the Book and the Sunnah would have been proved of no help. However, I can ask the same question from him also.” The Imam  then said to man from Sham, “Why do not then ask him this question?” The man from Sham (Syria) then turned to Hisham and asked, “O you, is your Lord more protective of His people or people themselves?” Hisham said, “It is My Lord Who is more protective of His creatures.” The man then asked, “Has He then established for them a means that would remove their differences, unite them, remove their difficulties and show them the right from wrong?” Hisham asked, “Do you mean for the time of the Messenger of Allah or at this time?” The man from Sham said, “At the time of the Messenger of Allah was the Messenger of Allah. Who is the (Divine) authority at this time?” Hisham said, “(The Divine authority) at this time is this person sitting among us. To him people journey long distance to find answer to their questions. He tells us about the news of the heavens and the earth as he has inherited it from his father and grand father.” The man from Sham said, “How would I know that?” Hisham then said, “Ask him whatever you would like.” The man from Sham said, “You have left no excuse for me and I must ask.” Imam abu ‘Abdallah  then said, “O man from Sham, “I can tell you how was your journey and how was your road. It was so and so.” The Imam  informed him with details. The man agreed and acknowledged the details and said, “Now I have become a Muslim.” The Imam  said, “In fact, you have become a believer in Allah now. Islam is before Iman (faith). Because of Islam people inherit each other and marry. Because of faith people receive rewards.” The man then said, “You have spoken the truth. At this time I testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is His Messenger and that you are the executor of the will of the Executor of wills of the Messengers of Allah.” The Imam  then turned to Humran and said, “When you speak on the basis of Hadith you speak the truth.” Turning to Hisham ibn Salim the Imam  said, “You want the Hadith but you do not know them.” About the al-Ahwal the Imam said, “You analogized and use a great deal of cunning ways and break falsehood with falsehood but your falsehood is stronger.” To Qays al-Masir the Imam  said, “You speak of something very near to the Hadith of the Holy Prophet (s.a) but use something very far from the Hadith of the Holy Prophet. You mix the truth with falsehood while a small degree of truth is enough to remove falsehood. You and Ahwal are experts in jumping here and there.” Yunus has said, “I thought the Imam will say about Hisham something similar to those he said about the other two.” The Imam then said, “O Hisham, you sometimes almost fall but you spring up like a bird on take-off. People like you should speak but be careful of slipping and intercession will follow, Allah willing.”