user-1: A community needs experts to thrive, these are few and far in between.
Occasionally i see new users who seem to know a lot and are experts or knowledgeable contributors.
Then i see some rude person who is a straight idiot and a troll abuse or harrass him, insult or make fun of his beliefs in afterlife or some fundamental aspect of what is commonly held as dogma.
It doesn't surprise me if people are turned off from participation on that account. I do think it is important to shut out users who only post garbage or close to it.
If flags are raised over a user's posts constantly and you remove a dozen of offensive posts when the user is returning after a 10th(?) temporary ban..
Are you waiting for a person to make death threats or what exactly is the treshold in these cases because it is the biggest vulnerability to this community at this point imo.
Also about this particular user, i am already keeping a log of his behavior on this and DW site and can already show that this is about all this guy does and you are enabling the destruction of this community knowing that a high % of his posts will be flagged as derogatory & abusive and will certainly be against TOS.
I will require someone to look on this eventually and when i think we can maybe have you all removed as moderators on that account.
Here a teaser; https://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?t=35643
I don't know what's wrong with you moderators... but something is off horribly.
I think your judgement is corrupted or flawed here somehow. The community can grow very well without any single 1 person but it can't grow as well as it could have if your shitty judgement & hesitance to enforce site rules turn this into a place where people are effectively routinely harrassed with moderator's blessing.

user254: I'm not sure about your "already keeping a log of his behavior" -- that might not help at all.
On SE all a user's flagged posts, and all their suspensions, are recorded -- and that record is visible to moderators, as well as to SE staff if or when they want to look.

It doesn't surprise me if people are turned off from participation on that account. I do think it is important to shut out users who only post garbage or close to it.

I agree, with being concerned about users' (and new users', and regular users') perceptions of the site -- and whether they're "turned off from participation on that account".
I'm not sure the premise is accurate -- i.e. "only post garbage or close to it" -- though it may be that (garbage) is what you find memorable or leaves a strong impression.
It also worries me that even a single user, and especially if they're established and prolific, might have an out-sized effect on how other users view the site.

this is about all this guy does and you are enabling the destruction of this community knowing that a high % of his posts will be flagged as derogatory & abusive and will certainly be against TOS

If the user in question is one of the site's "highest-reputation" users, that's some objective evidence (by SE metrics) that they're not only prolific but also often helpful or useful -- welcome.

Are you waiting for a person to make death threats or what exactly is the treshold in these cases because it is the biggest vulnerability to this community at this point imo.

"What exactly is the threshold" is a subject or topic of these scenarios for what that's worth.

I think your judgement is corrupted or flawed here somehow.

Yes.
More than one moderator is reluctant to perma-ban the user or delete their account, though I believe I see at least some of the arguments on both sides (for and against).

Moderators agree that, at a minimum, posts may be edited or deleted -- and as you know, you can (if you're willing) help us do that more thoroughly or more quickly, by "flagging" posts for moderators' attention.
We also sometimes suspend a user's account -- though on this site there appears to be no hard rule about when, how often, or for how long.


-1: <p>A community needs experts to thrive, these are few and far in between.</p>
<p>Occasionally i see new users who seem to know a lot and are experts or knowledgeable contributors.</p>
<p>Then i see some rude person who is a straight idiot and a troll abuse or harrass him, insult or make fun of his beliefs in afterlife or some fundamental aspect of what is commonly held as dogma.</p>
<p>It doesn't surprise me if people are turned off from participation on that account. I do think it is important to shut out users who only post garbage or close to it.</p>
<p>If flags are raised over a user's posts constantly and you remove a dozen of offensive posts when the user is returning after a 10th(?) temporary ban..
Are you waiting for a person to make death threats or what exactly is the treshold in these cases because it is the biggest vulnerability to this community at this point imo.</p>
<p>Also about this particular user, i am already keeping a log of his behavior on this and DW site and can already show that this is about all this guy does and you are enabling the destruction of this community knowing that a high % of his posts will be flagged as derogatory &amp; abusive and will certainly be against TOS.</p>
<p>I will require someone to look on this eventually and when i think we can maybe have you all removed as moderators on that account.
Here a teaser; <a href="https://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?t=35643" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?t=35643</a></p>
<p>I don't know what's wrong with you moderators... but something is off horribly.</p>
<p>I think your <strong>judgement</strong> is corrupted or flawed here somehow. The community can grow very well without any single 1 person but it can't grow as well as it could have if your shitty judgement &amp; hesitance to enforce site rules turn this into a place where people are effectively routinely harrassed with moderator's blessing.</p>
 254: <p>I'm not sure about your &quot;already keeping a log of his behavior&quot; -- that might not help at all.</p>
<p>On SE all a user's flagged posts, and all their suspensions, are recorded -- and that record is visible to moderators, as well as to SE staff if or when they want to look.</p>
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<p>It doesn't surprise me if people are turned off from participation on that account. I do think it is important to shut out users who only post garbage or close to it.</p>
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<p>I agree, with being concerned about users' (and new users', and regular users') perceptions of the site -- and whether they're &quot;turned off from participation on that account&quot;.</p>
<p>I'm not sure the premise is accurate -- i.e. &quot;only post garbage or close to it&quot; -- though it may be that (garbage) is what you find memorable or leaves a strong impression.</p>
<p>It also worries me that even a single user, and especially if they're established and prolific, might have an out-sized effect on how other users view the site.</p>
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<p>this is about all this guy does and you are enabling the destruction of this community knowing that a high % of his posts will be flagged as derogatory &amp; abusive and will certainly be against TOS</p>
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<p>If the user in question is one of the site's &quot;highest-reputation&quot; users, that's some objective evidence (by SE metrics) that they're not only prolific but also often helpful or useful -- welcome.</p>
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<p>Are you waiting for a person to make death threats or what exactly is the treshold in these cases because it is the biggest vulnerability to this community at this point imo.</p>
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<p>&quot;What exactly is the threshold&quot; is a subject or topic of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog#In_philosophy" rel="nofollow noreferrer">these scenarios</a> for what that's worth.</p>
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<p>I think your judgement is corrupted or flawed here somehow.</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
<p>More than one moderator is reluctant to perma-ban the user or delete their account, though I believe I see at least some of the arguments on both sides (for and against).</p>
<ul>
<li>Moderators agree that, at a minimum, posts may be edited or deleted -- and as you know, you can (if you're willing) help us do that more thoroughly or more quickly, by &quot;flagging&quot; posts for moderators' attention.</li>
<li>We also sometimes suspend a user's account -- though on this site there appears to be no hard rule about when, how often, or for how long.</li>
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