Since this is thought to be possible, but it is not clear when it is the case, some people already raise the question even in the case of the circle and the triangle, thinking that it is not right to define these by reference to lines and to the continuous, but that all these are to the circle or the triangle as flesh and bones are to man, and bronze or stone to the statue;
aitzitik, hauen ustez gauza hauek 10) guztiak ere gizakiaren haragia eta hezurrak, eta gizairudiaren brontzea edo harria bezala esaten dira.