For some say pleasure is the good, while others, on the contrary, say it is thoroughly bad-some no doubt being persuaded that the facts are so, and others thinking it has a better effect on our life to exhibit pleasure as a bad thing even if it is not;
Eta badirudi horrelako gaiak ez liratekeela inolaz ere alde batera utzi beharko, kontuan hartuta haiei buruz eztabaida handia dagoela. Izan ere, batzuek ongia plazera dela esaten dute, eta beste batzuek, alderantziz, erabat doilorra dela;