and so is his view that the Numbers exist apart from sensible things, while they say that the things themselves are Numbers, and do not place the objects of mathematics between Forms and sensible things.
Izan ere, Bata eta Zenbakiak gauzez aparte jartzea-eta ez Pitagorikoek bezala-eta Formen 30) sartzapena, esakuneen ikerketarengatik gertatu zen (aurrekoek ez baitzuten dialektikaren berri izan);