'He is not ignorant of these, for it is he that issueth the edicts, hath them enforced by the Emperor, now by the king, who hath the profit of confiscations, inherits from the dead, and readily brings suit for heresy against the rich.' Claes replied:
"Jakinaren gainean dago, bera da aginduak ematen dituena, Inperatoreri eta orain erregeri eragiten, eta honek bahituraren irabazia hartzen du, heredatu egiten du hildakoengandik, eta gogoz prozesatzen ditu aberatsak heretikotzat". Claesek honela erantzun zuen: