I don't remember him saying what proof he has for that, I just remember him talking a lot about fakirs and how, when they see their souls, they're supposed to be insensitive to physical pain.'
ez nauk konturatu zer frogatu nahi duen, baina gogoratzen diat asko hitz egin ohi duela fakirrei buruz, zeren horiek arimari so daudenean ez baitute gorputzeko minik sentitzen.