Routledge notes that the traditions collected among the Kikuyu were definitely to the...effect that the A'si preceded the Agum'ba and that the latter two people lived side by side in villages. However, according to Meru traditions, the Agumba predated the Athi people in their areas of occupation. A specific instance of tradition relating to rituals also seems to affirm this fact, A-Athi traditions suggest (that rituals) were adopted ('bought') from earlier hunting peoples whom they encountered as they entered the forest. Neither instance seem to provide a point of origin beyond their presence on Mount Kenya.