 Major MacKay met him in London in the same year and was of the same opinion.In 1785 MacKay met him again, also meeting his father Sir David Kinloch and ill-fated brother, Francis, all on a visit to a Mr and Mrs Dalrymple of North Berwick for an evening of whist.In September 1789, back in Scotland, he is noted in having been in an odd incident where he severely cut his own hand with a pocket-knife whilst in a carriage in the Grassmarket in Edinburgh (blaming it on broken glass in the carriage though none existed).