 The Doctor became at times an ally, being appointed their president during his fourth, fifth, and twelfth incarnations and assisting them on many other occasions.In an audio commentary recorded for the 2009 DVD release of "The War Games" (1969), producer Derrick Sherwin mentioned how in a discussion with the serial's co-writer Terrance Dicks the previous day, Dicks was "absolutely certain" that Sherwin created the Time Lords for the serial, although Sherwin could not remember himself.<ref></ref> Later in the commentary, Dicks recalled Sherwin telling him in the discussions with Dicks and Dicks' fellow co-writer Malcolm Hulke that because the Doctor had always been established as being on the run from his own people, that if he has to appeal to them, the Doctor would be in trouble.<ref name="war games dvd"></ref> In a 2016 interview with "The Essential Doctor Who" magazine, Dicks mentioned how when Sherwin and he were discussing "The War Games" one day, Sherwin said, "He belongs to this mysterious race called the Time Lords, doesn't he?