 He attended many lecture courses and question periods at the Nathaniel Branden Institute, where he worked as an usher (and in other capacities), and where in 1962 he first met Ayn Rand.For over fifteen years, he had many opportunities for sustained philosophical discussion with Rand; for instance, he was an active participant in Rand's famous 1969–71 Workshops on "Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology", and subsequent smaller workshops at Rand's apartment.He was Rand's choice for indexer of her collections, "The Virtue of Selfishness" and "".