his son to die for all sinners out of love for mankind". Hirsi Ali stated that: "Islam needs a reformation. Muslim leaders who are serious about achieving true and enduring peace, need to revise the Quran and the Hadith, so there is a consistency between what the peaceloving Muslims want and what their religion says." Speaking in April 2015 on an Australian Broadcasting Corporation radio program, Hirsi Ali said, It's wrong for Western leaders like [former Prime Minister of Australia] Tony Abbott to say the actions of the Islamic State aren't about religion. I want to say to him 'please don't say such things in public because it's just not true.' You're letting down all the individuals who are reformers within Islam who are asking the right questions that will ultimately bring about change. In an interview following the November 2015 Paris attacks, Hirsi Ali responded to Barack Obama's statement that the West should not declare a war on Islam by agreeing that while Western civilization is not at war with the Muslim world as a whole, Islamic extremists and terrorists who are abetted by conservative Islamic nations such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar and invoke Islamic theology are waging a war on Western society and that American and European governments need to understand Islamic fundamentalism is an ongoing threat to Westernized society which predates 9/11. Speaking shortly after the 2015 San Bernardino shooting, Hirsi Ali commented on the nature of radicalization within communities of Islamic believers, stating, "If we talk about the process of what we now call radicalization, that you see a process where individuals are putting on a religious identity. It's all about being a Muslim, you shed the rest of it or you downplay the rest of it and you try to make everyone else as pious as yourself. And this would be, looking back at San Bernardino, the telltale signs. These changes that the family, the friends, the close circle of relatives should have observed." When discussing Muslims who become radicalized by Islamic state on the internet, Hirsi Ali argued that many of these people already adhered to fundamentalist Islamic ideas or came from families and communities that followed a literal practice of Islam before ISIS declared a caliphate, and that ISIS now gave them a focus to execute their beliefs. She commented that what the media has come to refer to as radical Islam