<prompt> Translate the following text to EnglishChochote kingine kinachoweza kusemwa juu yao, wote wawili Talmudic na Jesuitical kubeba connotations ya kujifunza kubwa na tahadhari meticulous kwa hoja.  <response>: Whatever else may be said about them, both Talmudic and Jesuitical carry connotations of great learning and meticulous attention to argument. 