<prompt> Human: Im in a unique position, my wife and I are looking to buy a Mazda CX-5We have a 4000 trade in along with approx 12k to put down. When looking at the dealership yesterday I felt myself for the first time at the head of the bargaining table...I wanna try to utilize this to get the best deal possibleDoes anyone have tips on how to haggle the out door price?Thanks all -  <response>: Having worked for a reputable large volume dealer, I recommend everybody use tools like auto trader and true car. These websites will get you pretty close to the actual value of the new car but there could still be 500-1000 of haggling left. You are better off negotiating things like window tinting, all weather floor mats, trailer hitch, etc. than asking for an additional 200 discount. AS far as your trade, use look up NADA and auto trader value. Request a FAIR price somewhere between the low end retail value and average trade in value. 