<prompt> Human: Hi PF, long time lurker here...I am a recent engineering graduate and have an offer for a process position at a manufacturing plant. Offer is for 62K plus some decent benefits. insurance, 6 401k match, free costco membership etc. Company has day and night shifts for engineers 12 hour days and has shifted a bunch of employees around. Good day shift was open, people left subsequent crap shifts and now Im being offered the crap shift. Friday Saturday Sunday, every other Thursday 6pm-6am. Crap shift comes with a pay differential bumping me up to 75K Question is, I think I have leverage here since so many moves are banking on me filling this position. 2-3 other engineers move around when I accept. Should I be asking for higher base salary? like 65K? Should I ask anyways, just to see where I can get them to go? I know 75K will be a lot, but the hours suck completely and I feel that I need to be looking at the 62K base that theyre offering before the differential which Id be paid if I worked a more regular 9-5 like shiftThis will be my first full time job out of college, really looking for advice on how to proceed. Have about a week to decidenegotiate as well.Thanks in advance.  <response>: Unless youre desperate for a job, always negotiate your salary with a range. Since they talked numbers first, that gives you an opportunity to place the bottom of your range above their offer, with some padding.If they accept your counter, the worst case scenario is they accept it by countering somewhere below your minimum, but you get more than their initial offer, so your strategy worked.A better scenario is the range plays psychological games with their hiring manager and they settle somewhere about a third of the way between the lower and upper end of your range, and you get even more than your minimum, which is already more than their offer.The key will be picking a fair minimum and a sane spread. Between 65,000 and 90,000 thanks, is silly because its an insane spread. Between 75,000 and 78,00 plz is also silly because its an insanely high minimum.I think 66k - 69k would be a good range to counter with, because even if they counter outside of that range, youve still pull their initial offer up closer to something youd be happy with. If you ask for 66, they might counter at the 65 you wanted. If you asked for 65 directly with no range, they might only counter at 63 or 64. 