<prompt> Human: Im in the market for a car. At all the dealerships Ive gone to Ive held my ground for the first couple rounds of negotiations. They knocked the price down, but I always get to a point where they bring out the manager who whips out the dealer invoice and shows me how heshe is losing money on selling me this car. Obviously this is a pile of crap as no one would actually sell me something at a loss, so how am I getting screwed here? How much off sticker should I actually pay? Im being told by my mentor at work that I can hold out for about 30 off sticker price, but Im so far off base with the sales people that I dont think this is obtainable. Additionally, what do I do to get the lowest price at the dealership?  <response>: raskcarsalesI have been in the business 23 years and am a dealer. Go there, read the FAQWiki and youll learn how to do it the easy way and how to see if you are overpaying or not.Discounts and what is or is not a good deal can vary greatly from car to car. Some cars are a steal at MSRP, some are a lousy deal at 25 off. 