 6.28.19  5:10 am First I'd like to say in regards to 6.28.19  5:10 am , I think my core confusion was that more=better when voicing (and then being too indecisive to know what to cut off for fear of dropping out anything "good" by dropping anything out and taking more=better to the extreme of 4 notes per hand for beef purposes, and somehow perceiving the chord root a third below where it was supposed to be for one of them, perhaps because i was voicing stuff so high that I didnt have a grounding bass sound, not trying to make excuses, just trying to pinpoint my mistakes and the core belief behind to more efficiently improve.  Anyways back to chord talk.I really like that bass 2 octaves below, I find i rarely try going around those ranges when playing in my midi keyboard and it can really do a loooot to beef up smaller chords that may be playin
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 ht hand. For some reason when I do go that low I usually double that octave but through listening to these clear examples i can see how it can actually unbeef the lowest note.
actually doubling a bass octave is usually pretty safe, and doesn't really change the harmonic information much. anything else besides an octave, will be mud town. a general rule of thumb can be discovered .... whatever the lowest single note is that doesn't sound muddy, (let's say it's the lowest C on a 5-string bass, which is about like 32hz or something), i think you'll find that you can octave double that just fine without mud. and the next thing you'll find is that the lowest you can really go safely with a 5th interval is right there in the next octave: C64 and G98 will work fine together, and pack seemingly the same *girth* as the low C. and just the same, a fourth at G98 and C131, will be about the lowest you can take a perfect 4th before it starts to turn to mud. just the same, for the major third, the lower limit will be right here at C131 and E165. following just the same after that, the lowest limit for the minor third will appear to be right there around E165 and G196. none of this is a hard set in stone lower interval limit (these are called LILs in some social circles) but you can notice that they are easily a function of the harmonic series, which is what happens when you take a note and keep doubling the frequency. that low C (32), then C64, then G98, then C131, then E165, G196, the next one is actually a weird half flat 7th, and so on etc etc. interesting phenomenon but the point is that the lower you go, the more simple the interval has to be or else it will turn to mud, and then if you go too low then only 5ths will work and then if you go even lower only single notes will work, and if you go below like low B or maybe A? even single notes turn to mud. i personally think it's more like B. the lowest note on an acoustic piano is A and i really can't hear a note there, it sounds like a noteless grind